Drug policy is a rationality-free zone

Jim Jay notes that:

Just because it’s factually accurate to say that horse riding is as harmful as taking Ecstasy does NOT mean that it’s true.

It is with these tools that we shall win the war on drugs! If someone asks you to think – just say no.

Politics is often a rationality-free zone, mostly because many voters are irrational and irrational arguments will therefore appeal to them more than rational ones.

The solution? Discourage stupid people from breeding, wait 18 years, and the electorate will start to get cleverer.

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16 Responses to Drug policy is a rationality-free zone

  1. modernityblog says:

    I see, hmm.

    well, not that I approve of eugenics, but following your argument if we could encourage the Middle Class to stop breeding then we’d have less dim witted, but university educated placeman at Westminster and in the field of politics?

    wouldn’t that be a better idea?

    just a thought :)

  2. cabalamat says:

    Modernityblog: if we could encourage the Middle Class to stop breeding then we’d have less dim witted, but university educated placeman at Westminster and in the field of politics?

    University degrees should be changed so that you can’t pass one without showing a bit of brains.

    And maybe their could be an extrance exam to become an MP — there wouldn’t be a pass mark, but one’s results would be made public.

  3. modernityblog says:

    but who DECIDES?

    that’s the question

    and putting anyone in the position of power to decide or make such decisions, would lead to abuse?

    surely not something desirable?

  4. cabalamat says:

    putting anyone in the position of power to decide or make such decisions, would lead to abuse?

    You’re right that when people are in positions of power, they may abuse it. But that argument applies equally to all policies, not just to eugenics.

  5. modernityblog says:

    right, is does apply more generally, but the right to have a child is more fundamental to the human condition and so people will be prepared to go to ANY length to have it, thus those in power would have GREATER control and influence by virtue of the nature of the topic, etc

    so it is unworkable, even if it were desirable, which it isn’t, see China.

  6. cabalamat says:

    Modernityblog: the right to have a child is more fundamental to the human condition

    I’m not sure that I agree. Clearly, evolution has moulded humans to want to have children. Actually, that’s not quite true: it’s more accurate to say that evolution has moulded humans to behave in ways that in the environment of evolutionary adaptation would maximise the number of their genes in future generations.

    Which is why people (particularly men) want status. Why men get aroused by looking at pictures of naken women. Why people like eating sweet things. Why people enjoy sex. Why people (especially women) find babies appealing. Etc.

    But there is no uncontrollable desire to procreate: if there was, no-one would ever use contraception.

    and so people will be prepared to go to ANY length to have it

    Firstly, I’m not against anyone having kids. I just want to reduce the number of stupid people having kids that bear their genes.

    And secondly, I don’t think compulsion is the way to go here. I’m thinking more in the way of telling stupid people that if they have kids they won’t get a council house / child benefit because of it.

  7. modernityblog says:

    bear their genes?

    “I’m thinking more in the way of telling stupid people that if they have kids they won’t get a council house / child benefit because of it.”

    so the working classes/council tenants are stupid?

    hardly, in my experience, I’d say that the stupidity genes are as widely spread across society as you might randomly expect by evolution

    in fact I run across more stupid middle-class, non council tenants, types than the other way around and here’s why:

    if the off-spring of the monarchy can barely get a degree, articulate a sentence or read a complex book, after decades of private tutors and the best education that money can buy, then the rot is at the top not the bottom.

    consider, if middle class adults with ALL of the benefits of such a life style (access to culture, books, etc), years of quality education and time at pleasant Oxbridge Universities still turn out thick and unable to reason outside of their fields, then I’d argue that is far worse

    if they’ve had the best of encouragement and still do poorly, then they, the middle class thickos, are the real stupid ones

    not those that haven’t had access to such benefits

    these fact can independently be verified with reference to complaint from business leaders that many graduates are hardly capable of functioning in the world or writing common business letters, without errors

    “Britain’s biggest companies have warned that, despite a record number of graduates entering the job market, many lack the basic skills needed for employment. Almost half of businesses said that they did not expect to receive “sufficient applications from graduates with the correct skills” in 2006. In 2005, 598 positions were left unfilled as a third of employers said that they could not find candidates of sufficient quality. ”

    http://www.literacytrust.org.uk/database/businessupdate.html#biggest

    PS: there is plenty more where that came from :)

  8. cabalamat says:

    Modernityblog: bear their genes?

    You’re heard of sperm and egg donation, I take it?

    so the working classes/council tenants are stupid?

    “Working class” is not a phrase I use, because it is meaningless. Most of the people I know who live in social housing are actually quite intelligent.

    The targets of this policy are the 20% or so of the UK population who are functionally illiterate.

    Regarding your other points:

    I think you have to be reasonably clever to get into Oxbridge.

    I don’t doubt that the quality of graduates is going downwards.

  9. modernityblog says:

    “functionally illiterate”?

    why not use the definition “functionally stupid”, like the British Royals, despite all of their money and tutoring they barely have a quality degree between them?

    isn’t that worse? to be as sharp as Prince Harry? or have the intellectual depth of Diane? after having been through the education system?

    as for Oxbridge, according to figures, some 50% of the places go to Public school applicants, even though they comprise only about 7% of the school population

    so the remaining 50% are from the ~93% of the school system, which (and you could correct me my maths is a bit shaky at the moment) might mean that Public school applicants have 7 times more chance of getting into an Oxbridge university?

    thus are we do deduce that they are 7 times smarter, or is something else at play? (sociological factors, wealth, etc)?

  10. “thus are we do deduce that they are 7 times smarter, or is something else at play? (sociological factors, wealth, etc)?”

    Most state schools are shit.

    And sometimes who you know counts for more than what you know.

    But mostly because most state schools are shit.

  11. cabalamat says:

    Modernityblog: why not use the definition “functionally stupid”, like the British Royals, despite all of their money and tutoring they barely have a quality degree between them?

    Because there is not — as far as I am aware — any definition of such a term. In any case I don’t think the royals are stupid, I think they are of roughly average intelligence.

    isn’t that worse? to be as sharp as Prince Harry? or have the intellectual depth of Diane? after having been through the education system?

    No education will make a stupid person clever; although it might bring out the best of their abilities, give them confidence, and give them contacts with the right people.

  12. modernityblog says:

    come on, please

    despite having THE very best of education, how many of the British Royals have an excellent degree? 1? out of 12? 20? not a good average

    despite every opportunity, one was fit for making furniture, another in the theatre, a couple of thickos only capable of minor army roles (after much training), etc

    only one has any wits: Anne

    so if you have a family that have had THE best education, all the money in the world and every chance that they could be given then they STILL turn out to be mediocrities, that is the real problem

  13. George Carty says:

    How would you respond to this blog posting, arguing that the drug war must be fought much more ruthlessly?

  14. cabalamat says:

    George Carty: How would you respond to this blog posting, arguing that the drug war must be fought much more ruthlessly?

    I’d do the opposite. If drugs were legal, then drug trafficking would be as legal as any other freight industry, and wouldn’t have all this violence associated with it.

    • Constantin says:

      Its interesting how people hold on to their opinions despite evidence to the contrary isn’t it? The Dutch are really happy with their quasi legal drug policy are they not? So much so that they want to reverse it.
      While the violence regarding distribution of drugs may curtail, the violence committed by the exponentially increased number of junkies would make you wish for the good old days. Further, the overall cost to society would be much higher aside from just the violence.
      You know murder is usually pretty violent, do you think that would change if it is legalized?

      • cabalamat says:

        While the violence regarding distribution of drugs may curtail, the violence committed by the exponentially increased number of junkies would make you wish for the good old days.

        Cannabis doesn’t make people violent. And the number of cannabis users hasn’t gonre up during decriminialisation in the Netherlands.

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